How To Leave A Narcissistic/Toxic Church,… :o)

After the scales have fallen from your eyes about narcissistic toxicity in your religious group there is hope to escape, heal and rebuild your life and relationship with God. In order to escape with as little outgoing damage by the Narcissistic elder/pastor as possible, careful and deliberate planning must take place.

This >>>video<<< by Shaneen Megji lists seven steps to escape your toxic group unscathed.

Prayerfully Consider


Imagine a reality where everything you believe is built on a foundation of lies. The information you receive, carefully crafted through manipulation, has led you to unwittingly become a victim of deceit. I was also. No one is immune to it actually. 

Such a scenario is unfolding in some corners of the church today.

In this challenging situation, it’s crucial to recognize the signs of manipulation and narcissism. Often, our esteem for the messenger blinds us to the distortion of truth. However, there is a way out, and it’s rooted in the teachings of Jesus.

Amidst the chaos, Jesus guides us to love our enemies and pray for those who deceitfully use and abuse us. Unlike a call for vengeance or the summoning of supernatural entities for war, Jesus embodies a message of grace in the New Testament. The era of war has passed, giving way to an age where compassion and understanding reign supreme.

Consider for a moment the accountability you might face standing before God. Imagine having to justify your agreement with and prayers for the demise of someone, a person you hardly know beyond the narrative spun by another. This introspection challenges us to reevaluate our actions and discern whether we’re aligning ourselves with love and grace or inadvertently contributing to a cycle of manipulation.

In this age of grace, let us strive for discernment, separating truth from manipulation, and embody the teachings of love and forgiveness laid out by Jesus. 

So, if you find yourself questioning the authenticity of your beliefs and the environment you’re in, know that there is a community ready to embrace you. Leaving might be a challenging decision, but the freedom to be outside of the realm of confusion and doubts is worth its weight in gold. 

RC

How to Identify the Victim of Narcissistic Abuse (Versus the Narcissist Who Plays the Victim)

When an abusive narcissist is called out on their behavior, whether they are exposed or confronted, they will likely play the victim rather than own up to their abuse. Why? Because a narcissist is always running from their shame. To not feel any shame, they will project, deflect, and manipulate—anything to avoid facing their demons. 

This blog operates on the premise that the abuser is a narcissist (a wolf in sheep’s clothing) and the victim is not. If both the abuser and victim were narcissists, with one overpowering the other, then the insights of this blog would not directly apply. Further, a narcissist is someone who is chronically and unapologetically entitled, arrogant, exploitative, lacking in empathy, grandiose in their self-estimation, high-conflict, manipulative, envious, easily angered, deceptive, and incessantly needy for validation from others to regulate their sense of self.

Jennifer Freyd, a psychology researcher, coined the term DARVO to explain one of the insidious ways an abuser manipulates when being confronted. DARVO stands for Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender. Essentially, DARVO means that a narcissist will deny that they are being abusive. They will turn around and attack you, possibly with threats, slander, a smear campaign, humiliation, harassment, and other means of intimidation to block you from confronting them—and then reverse roles, portraying themselves as the victim and the accuser as the offender. In extreme cases, a narcissist may deliberately harm or sabotage themselves to create the illusion of being the abused party in the relationship.

The Third Party and the Two Stories

As a third party, you’ll encounter at least two narratives: the abusive narcissist positioning themselves as the victim, asserting that the true victim is the abuser, and possibly even a narcissist. Secondly, the actual victim perceiving the narcissist to be the abuser.  How can you tell the truth? Don’t accept things at face value. Narcissists are master manipulators. To find the truth,  you must probe deeply into the narcissist’s and victim’s stories. In particular, there are two things to consider when trying to discern the truth. 

The first is that a narcissist doesn’t function out of their true self but rather a false self, which means they have no stable core. Without a stable core, they are like chameleons who can reinvent themselves completely at every turn. The only way to do this convincingly is to be the person they have reinvented themselves to be. A narcissist can cover their abusive persona and reinvent themselves into a victim who claims to feel afraid of the one who is calling them out on their abuse. Other people, seeing the narcissist in this convincing role, may easily fall for it.

Another crucial aspect to consider is that narcissists engage in a behavior known as “splitting.” When a narcissist “splits,” they see people as either good or bad and don’t distinguish between nuanced parts of a situation or a person. This typically involves them villainizing people, and since they become so emotional, dysregulated, and antagonistic in their accusations, they easily persuade others that someone has wronged them terribly. In the third party’s assessment, people don’t just become extremely emotional and wound up for no good cause. This third party assumes that there must be a good reason why the narcissist is so extremely upset. It doesn’t naturally occur to them that the person sitting across from them could be wired with a predatory nature, especially if the third party doesn’t have an understanding of narcissism or the psyche of an abuser. A third-party person will instinctively believe that the abuser in your life is just like any other human being because it is not in their frame of reference to conceive that this person could be a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

 In situations where a narcissist employs DARVO (Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender), it becomes challenging for a third party unfamiliar with narcissism, psychopathy, or other cluster B personality disorders to discern the manipulation tactics at play.

How to See Through DARVO

So here are three things that are critical to understand to see through a narcissist’s attempts at DARVO. 

Understand the Motives

The first thing you need to do is understand the fundamental motives that a victim and a narcissistic abuser have. 

What is the motivation of an abuser using DARVO?

DARVO is a form of manipulation. It is designed to fight. The motive is to deflect and avoid blame and shame. An abuser engaging in DARVO is usually truth-avoiding because they do not want to take responsibility. They do not want to own their part and take the blame, so they blame others. 

Typically, a victim of abuse wants to feel safe, wants to heal, and may be open for reconciliation if his or her abuser is willing to do the long hard work of facing their demons and dealing with their sin issues and character issues that led them to be abusive and possibly unfaithful in the first place. A true victim is seeking honesty and transparency from the abuser because that is foundational to reestablishing truth. Jesus said, “You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.” Truth is central to the healing process. A victim of abuse is usually truth-seeking.

An abusive narcissist has the following interests:

  • To avoid being held accountable
  • Not losing their reputation, and maintaining their status
  • Not losing the benefits they have been able to have through their abusive, manipulation, and/or coercive control
  • Shame avoidance
  • To punish the people who confronted and/or exposed them

Meanwhile, the victim’s interest is:

  • To heal
  • To be heard, believed, and supported
  • For justice
  • For God to restore and redeem what has been lost
  • To possibly reconcile with his or her abuser, if the abuser was willing to do the long and hard work of facing their demons and dealing with their sins and character issues that caused them to be abusive in the first place.

When you consider where both parties are coming from, you can probably tell who is a true victim and who is engaging in DARVO because their motives will inevitably leak out in their words and actions. The Bible says that out of the outflow of the heart, the mouth speaks (Luke 6:24). So paying careful attention to what both parties are saying and how they are saying things can show you who is the victim and who isn’t. 

King Solomon illustrated this careful listening when two women brought their infant children to him, one dead, and one alive (1 Kings 3). Both of the women claimed that the living baby was theirs and the dead baby was the other’s. So because Solomon could not tell which woman was lying and which was telling the truth, with wisdom from the Holy Spirit, he announced that the living baby would be cut in half and each woman would be given a half. And that is when the true motives of each woman were uncovered. The true mother objected to this solution and told Solomon to give the baby to the other woman. She couldn’t bear the thought of seeing her baby be killed. Meanwhile, the other woman insisted that Solomon follow through with dividing the child. So Solomon saw by both their responses who was the real mother and who was not and gave the living child to the woman who wanted him to live. Truly, there was a divine wisdom operating in Solomon at that moment. Just like Solomon asked God for wisdom, you can certainly pray that God will grant wisdom to those who are involved in your situation. 

When a narcissist or abuser is evading accountability and attempting to deflect responsibility, they will often shift into a mode of blame-shifting, wherein they vilify and demonize the other. They are not looking to explore or dialogue or self-reflect because all that could mean uncovering the truth about what they’ve done, and who they are. So when a person does a lot of blaming that is void of any self-reflection or self-awareness, one way to test where they’re at is simply to ask them, “What part did you have to play in this outcome?” A narcissist would have a hard time answering this question. At best they may say, “Yes, I’m not perfect. Nobody is perfect.” Follow up and ask them to walk you through in detail all the parts they had to play in creating the outcome. It will be difficult to get a narcissist to go as far as to admit they were wrong. They will speak in generalities and not refer to anything specific in anything they did wrong. Narcissists generally do not look too deep in themselves and have little self-awareness. 

If you were to ask a victim of narcissistic abuse this question, it may also be hard for them because the question can suggest blame and lack of belief. Remember that victims have been constantly gaslighted and blamed unjustly, so make sure to approach the conversation with love and compassion. But, if a victim were to think through carefully, they might say something like, “I was afraid…I didn’t think I had any other choice….I was told to love and submit more by my church…I was trauma bonded…he/she threatened to destroy my life if I left…” Here is what my experience was. And then they will proceed to tell a story of patterns of behaviors, incidents, and how those things affected them. 

A victim is usually looking to tell their story. They share in a way that is self-reflective and story-telling. Their goal is not necessarily to slander or smear the name of their abuser, but more to tell their story because for so long they have been voiceless. For them, this process is about freedom, healing, and knowing the truth, because it is the truth that makes them free. A victim is looking to heal and possibly reconcile. Those goals require truth-telling and truth-facing. 

A narcissist, on the other hand, plays the victim by blame-shifting and not by holding themselves up against the truth.

The PR Campaign

Here’s the second way a third party can see through a narcissist’s manipulative tactics. An abuser is likely to be more vocal than the victim. Why? Because a narcissist is seeking to preempt the victim’s story by starting a PR campaign and setting the tone first as themselves being abused or betrayed. Their interest is to maintain their image, so they are about doing whatever is necessary to avoid any possible damage to their reputations. This means they need to be in control of the narrative.

On the other hand, victims are already so burned and depleted by the trauma they’ve been through that they are looking to heal and looking to share their stories with safe and trustworthy people. They are not out doing a PR campaign about how much they have been victimized.

Intent toward the other

A narcissist usually engages in splitting by seeing people as either all good or all bad. So because they see themselves as the victim and want to punish the other person for exposing or betraying them, they will want to see that person punished or see their demise. So when they share, they intend to punish or see retribution. They are not seeking the rehabilitation and well-being of the victim but quite the opposite, and that will come through in how they tell the story.

On the other hand, a victim, as much as they have been hurt and traumatized by their abuser, their first and foremost goal is healing and telling their story and wanting honesty because they have been lied to, manipulated, and deceived so much. They are not on a crusade to talk about wanting to see their abuser’s demise or punishment. Now granted, a victim may be very angry and they may very well want justice and revenge. They may be tempted with the strong desire to see their abuser punished for their wrongdoings, especially if they seemed to have gotten away with so much for so long, but unlike a narcissist, even if a victim is wrestling with all these angry, rageful feelings, they are not going to go around and craft their entire story around this one point because a victim is not only dealing with anger, but with a complexity of many different emotions that they are holding all together, such as grief, and sadness and loss and fear along with anger… while a narcissist tends to think only in black and white, in all good or all bad. A victim generally can talk about the good moments in the relationship as well as the terrible moments and conclude that the abusive narcissist was wearing a mask to conceal their true nature. But a narcissist cannot hold together the good, bad, and ugly of the person they abused, so they will see them as all bad and forget anything good that person has ever done. They will recreate the reality of the relationship in a way that makes it seem like it was bad all along. So, for them, they can paint a person as all bad and carry on their crusade of wanting to see them punished and looking to see their demise.

So, to summarize the 3 points on how to spot the victim:

  1. A narcissist typically goes into blame-shifting and slandering mode, whereas the victim goes into story-telling mode.
  2. Narcissists are more vocal about their story as a PR move with a bigger number of people, while victims only share with safe, supportive people.
  3. A narcissist sees the other as all bad and wants to punish them or see their demise, whereas the victim wants to heal and is dealing with the complexity of emotions. 

Related Resources

Watch the video version of this blog here.

  • Am I Being Abused by a Covert Narcissist? How to Tell. [Watch]
  • How to Stay Your Course in the Face of Manipulation. [Watch]

‘The Enchanted Eel and the YES-Hare in Babble-On Creek’ – A Contemporary Short Story: ‘The Hollowed Ascension To Man-Baby Status’

‘Even a child could understand this.’ – David Eells :0)

In the heart of Babble-On Creek, an unplanned event unfolded in David the Eel’s forest, casting a shadow of deceit over the woodland. A mighty oak, its roots firmly embedded in the history of the ancient forest, unexpectedly succumbed to the blows of fate, crashing to the ground with a resounding thud.

Seizing the opportunity to exploit this unplanned incident, David the Eel, with a serpent’s cunning, wove a narrative to further ensnare the minds of the woodland creatures. As the fallen oak lay sprawled on the forest floor, David declared with a theatrical flourish, ‘Behold, my loyal followers, this mighty oak represents the death, burial, and resurrection of my man-baby ministry.’

The woodland creatures, still entrapped in the lingering enchantment of deceit, gazed upon the fallen oak with a mix of awe and confusion. David continued his malevolent performance, using the unplanned event to solidify his influence over their hearts and minds.

‘From the ashes of this fallen giant, my man-baby ministry shall rise anew, more powerful and enlightened than ever before. Just as this oak succumbed to the forces of nature, so too must my ministry undergo a transformation, a rebirth that will elevate us to new heights of enlightenment.’

In David the Eel’s twisted narrative of ascension, the fallen oak became a burden not just for the woodland creatures but also for Michael the Hare. Tasked by David with a perilous mission, Michael was assigned to risk his life in hauling the massive tree up the dangerous mountain that loomed on the horizon.

Unfazed by the potential risks to Michael’s safety, David was driven solely by his malevolent agenda. With a callous disregard for the well-being of his loyal follower, he ordered Michael to harness the fallen oak to a tractor, attempting to haul it up the treacherous slopes toward the summit.

The woodland creatures, still enchanted by David’s deceitful charisma, watched as Michael, the obedient hare, grappled with the enormous weight of the massive tree. The tractor strained under the burden, wheels teetering dangerously close to the edge of disaster as it navigated the rugged terrain.

David, perched in the shadows, observed with a cold indifference, showing no concern for the imminent risks faced by Michael. The hare, driven by blind loyalty and manipulated by the promise of enlightenment, pressed on, the tractor groaning and lurching up the hazardous path.

Seizing the moment, David enlisted the aid of his devoted follower, urging him to hollow out the fallen oak. The woodland creatures, still under the lingering spell of deceit, watched as the once-majestic tree was transformed into a twisted vessel, a symbol of David’s distorted resurrection narrative.

With each stroke of the chainsaw, the loyal follower toiled away, driven by the false promises whispered by David. The air, thick with the scent of sawdust and deception, carried the weight of the woodland’s unknowing complicity in the unfolding drama.

As the fallen oak lay hollowed-out on the side of the mountain, David the Eel, ever the master of manipulation, seized upon the twisted vessel to further propagate his malevolent agenda. In a calculated move, he declared, ‘This hollowed-out tree, my loyal followers, shall be the sacred ascension for the little children who aspire to attain man-baby status in my ministry.’

The woodland creatures, still ensnared in the lingering enchantment of deceit, listened as David unfolded his twisted narrative. He described a ritual where innocent children would crawl through the hollowed tree, symbolizing their ascent to the pinnacle of his distorted enlightenment.

‘Children, in crawling through this sacred vessel, you shall symbolically traverse the path to man-babyhood. At the mountain’s summit, a realm of higher understanding awaits you, where the secrets of my ministry shall be revealed,’ David proclaimed with a sly grin. :0)

The loyal follower, tasked with hollowing out the fallen oak, now became the architect of this malevolent ascension. Carving intricate passages within the hollowed trunk, he unwittingly played a role in David’s grand deception, all under the guise of spiritual elevation and enlightenment.

As the hollowed tree stood like a sinister gateway, the woodland creatures, their judgment clouded by David’s enchanting words, observed with a mix of fascination and trepidation. Unaware of the true darkness that lurked within the ritual, they anticipated the day when their little ones would embark on the ascent to man-baby status.

In the shadows of Babble-On Creek, the fallen oak transformed into a symbol of deception, its hollowed interior serving as a vessel for the unsuspecting children. David the Eel, with his malevolent machinations, continued to weave a narrative that blurred the lines between truth and falsehood, all while using the innocence of the little ones as pawns in his calculated game. The forest, now a stage for David’s twisted ascension ritual, awaited the unsettling events that would unfold in the name of man-baby enlightenment.